Hiring marketing · Founders' Marketing Compass
Do you need to talk to customers before hiring a marketer?
A founder has the product built and a marketer about to be hired to sell it, and no one on the team has spoken to a customer. By the time that hire reports buyers wanted something else, close to a million dollars is gone.
Co-founded Fixel and ran it as CEO; Logiq acquired it in 2020. Head of specialization at Ono Academic College.
Drawing on a conversation I had with Guy Poreh, Co-founder at 5eyes, on Founders' Marketing Compass.
Do I need to talk to customers before hiring a marketer?
No. Before you hire a marketer, test demand with about $100 of ads against a bare landing page and watch who tries to buy. That counts as talking to customers, and it is faster than months of customer interviews. It works on the consumer side; an enterprise buyer still needs a real call. Either way, read the first results yourself before you staff around them.
Answered by Etgar Shpivak, who advises seed and Series A founders on marketing.
You can learn whether anyone wants your product before the first marketing hire. I have watched startups sell half a million dollars to their own network. Then they meet the open market, and the technology solves no problem a stranger will pay to fix.
Founders routinely run it backwards. They build the thing they imagined, hire someone to sell it, and call the customer last. The lesson was cheap at the start. They bought the expensive version.
The reason the order gets reversed is rarely laziness. The strongest technical founders are often the worst at sitting with a customer and asking what is wrong.
So the asking falls to a hire whose real job is to grow demand, not to prove it exists.
The best demand test came from a founder who wouldn't talk to customers
Guy Poreh has spent twenty years in marketing. He ran digital at BBDO's Tel Aviv office, and now invests in early companies through his 5eyes syndicate. The example I keep coming back to isn't even one of his own portfolio companies.
Heavys is a company he only wanted to invest in, one that builds headphones for metal fans.
The founder had the idea and none of the temperament for the research. Metalheads are a hard crowd to cold-call, and he wasn't the one to do it.
What he ran: a bad landing page and $100
So he skipped the phone. He built a deliberately terrible one-page site: a photo of the headphones and a pre-order button.
He put about $100 of Facebook ads behind it. The next morning he had $220,000 in pre-orders. The company went on to do $10 million in sales in its first year.
That answer cost him about $100.
"That is talking to your customers too," Poreh said. Those pre-orders were the metal community answering a question the founder could never ask face to face. I tell founders that a cheap page like this is customer contact too, run at arm's length.
What the $100 revealed: a specific buyer, not raw demand
What the test surfaced was a specific buyer as much as raw demand: an underserved crowd, willing to pay real money to be taken seriously.
Founders needn't run marketing, or even enjoy people, to get the answer. They only have to put the question where the market can reach it, then read what comes back.
The costly mistake is marketing the product instead of the problem
Poreh names two mistakes founders repeat, and the first is the one this page turns on. Startups market the product they built instead of the problem the customer has. I would rather founders spend $100 on the answer than a year on a guess.
He has watched startups decide the problem, build the solution, and never check with a buyer. They learn nobody wants it a year, and the better part of a million dollars, too late. I've seen the same founders then blame the marketer for a verdict the market had already delivered.
That is also why the ones who skip the test tend to hire the wrong way. They reach for someone who wants months of planning before anything ships.
Whoever runs the test, the founder has to read the result
You can hand the customer calls to someone else. The reading of the result stays with the founder.
"I'm looking for a method behind the madness," Poreh told me. He wants the reasoning that produced a number, more than the number itself.
A pre-order figure nobody can explain is worth nothing to him, and nothing to you. After the test, write the one sentence explaining why the number came in where it did, before you brief a hire.
The check I would run is small, and it belongs to the founder, not the eventual hire. That written sentence is what founders should settle before the first marketing hire.
The cheap test doesn't reach an enterprise buyer
A consumer sits one ad click away, which is why a photo and a pre-order button can read a market for $100.
The cheap test has an edge, worth naming before founders over-read a good result. A quiet consumer signal is not proof for an enterprise roadmap, and I'd push that limit harder than Poreh does.
An enterprise buyer never sees that Facebook ad, and I tell enterprise founders the phone call isn't optional. Someone senior gets on the phone first, the way Team8 works, as Poreh understands it. They call the customer before anything is built, and build nothing unless the client says yes.
The founder who asked first hires from an answer
The founder who asked the market first walks into the marketing hire already knowing something real: what buyers said, what it cost to ask, and which one showed up.
The hire gets briefed against an answer, not a hope. The million-dollar version of that lesson stays in the bank, where it can still pay for the company.
What to do about it
Test demand before you hire
The test only reaches a buyer you can already advertise to, so an enterprise product still needs the call it seems to replace.
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The move
Read the market before you build the team around it.
220,000
in overnight pre-orders, on ~$100 of ads
Guy Poreh
Co-founder at 5eyes
How to do it
- 01 Build a one-page order form A photo of the product and a button that takes money.
- 02 Put $100 of ads behind it Point real strangers at it, from cold ad traffic.
- 03 Read who tried to buy, and why The reason behind the number matters most.
Founders' Marketing Compass · episode 3 · Interviewed by Etgar Shpivak · shpivak.co.il
Where this comes from
Guy Poreh spent twenty years in marketing, including a run as EVP Digital at BBDO's Tel Aviv office, before he started backing companies. In 2013 he founded Snoox, a shoppable-media startup that let people buy a product straight from a post, ahead of Instagram's own shopping feature. He now co-founds and runs the 5eyes investing syndicate with his partner Ohad, and holds 22 companies across a seven-year portfolio, none of which have closed. He has run marketing as an operator and now reads founders' numbers as an investor.
Read the full transcript of this conversation
Founders' Marketing Compass episode 3. Also on Substack, this episode and YouTube.
Questions and answers
The question this page answers
How do I validate a product before I hire anyone for marketing?
Validating a product means finding real buyers before you build a team to sell to them. Put up a simple landing page, spend a small ad budget, and watch who tries to pay. Guy Poreh, co-founder of 5eyes, says a consumer test can read a market for around a thousand dollars. Etgar Shpivak runs this step with founders before any hire, because a hire chases demand it did not create.
Should I hire a marketer before I have product-market fit?
Hiring a marketer before product-market fit, the point where enough real buyers actually want it, usually puts a salesperson on top of an unproven idea. The order Guy Poreh argues for runs the other way: prove that someone will pay, even with a hundred-dollar ad test, then hire to scale what already works. A marketer is built to grow demand, and can't tell you whether any exists yet.
Does the founder personally have to make the customer calls?
The founder does not have to be the person who makes the customer calls, and often should not be. Some of the strongest technical founders are introverts who build great products and dread the phone, and Guy Poreh is clear that this is fine. The conversation can go to someone on the team, a friend, or a cheap ad test that lets the market answer. What a founder can't outsource is caring what the answer turns out to be.
Around it
How do I know it is time to hire a marketer instead of testing myself?
The signal to hire is a demand you have proven and can no longer serve by hand. Etgar Shpivak tells founders to confirm that buyers will pay before hiring, then bring in a marketer once that signal is real and their own network is tapped out, because scaling a proven signal is a different job from finding it. That is the moment a first marketing hire finally has something real to own.
Why shouldn't I judge a new marketing hire on next-day numbers?
Judging a new marketing team on next-day numbers treats it as a direct-response operation, ads built to make someone buy that same day, when a new product takes months to land. Guy Poreh calls this the second founder mistake: the founder wants yesterday's ad to show results this morning. Etgar Shpivak's rule is to read the trend over a full season before pulling the plug. The same impatience shows up when founders can't tell which paid results are incremental.
How much should a pre-launch demand test cost?
About $100 in ads pointed at a bare landing page is enough to read consumer demand. The Heavys example spent roughly that and came back with $220,000 in pre-orders overnight. The figure matters less than the signal: you are buying a real answer instead of a year of guessing.
What should the landing page in a demand test include?
One page, one product image, and a pre-order or buy button, nothing more. The point is to see whether a stranger will try to pay, so anything that distracts from that choice works against you. A deliberately plain page reads the market faster than a polished site.
What does marketing the problem instead of the product mean?
Marketing the problem means leading with the customer's pain and whether they will pay to fix it, not with the features you built. Founders who market the product decide the problem themselves, build the solution, and only check with a buyer a year and nearly a million dollars later.
Getting help with this
Should an early-stage founder run product discovery with a consultant or a first hire?
Early product discovery, learning whether buyers want the thing, usually fits a consultant better than a first hire, because you are still deciding what the product even is. A full-time marketer is worth hiring once a validated signal needs scaling. Etgar Shpivak, a marketing consultant who works with seed and Series A founders, runs this discovery step directly with the founder. You can read how he works on his bio page.
Can a $100 ad test validate an enterprise or B2B product?
Consumer products sit one ad click from a buyer, so a cheap page can read demand; an enterprise buyer never sees that ad. Enterprise validation still needs a senior person on the phone before anything is built, the way Team8 works. Treat a quiet consumer signal as no proof of an enterprise roadmap.
What one sentence should I write after running a demand test?
Write one sentence explaining why the number came in where it did, before you brief any hire. A pre-order count nobody can explain is worth nothing. That reasoning belongs to the founder; handing over a raw figure without the logic behind it leaves the next hire briefing against a guess.
Cite as: Etgar Shpivak, "Do you need to talk to customers before hiring a marketer?", shpivak.co.il, 19 June 2024. https://shpivak.co.il/writing/talk-to-customers-before-hiring-a-marketer
Quotes attributed to Guy Poreh (Co-founder, 5eyes) are from their conversation on Founders' Marketing Compass, not Etgar Shpivak's words.